Post by THE POWERS THAT BE on Jan 6, 2013 13:17:58 GMT -5
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NEW RANKING SYSTEM?
congrats, you're all too goddamned active
Me and Tsun had a little talk, and the short of it is that I never thought HIDDEN would be anything more than my little quiet corner of the animanga rpverse.
Thanks for joining guys! I love you all, but a bigger site requires a bit more brainpower into the system--brainpower that I didn't put in! But hey, better late than never?
The issue we had is two-fold, regarding the accessibility of the higher ranks and less innately magical races. The question: Is a Rank S God of Death equal to a Rank S Necromancer? The answer: uhhh, probably not!
I have a few ideas. Here they are:
1) Soft rank caps. Deities can go all the way up to Rank S free of charge. Watchers and demons up to Rank A, the other magical races up to Rank B. Humans hit Rank C. To get above the soft cap, you pay for it with ye olde $$$ plus an IC justification.
2) Different scaling systems for different races. Pretty self explanatory. A watcher may need only 50 posts to hit Rank C, where most watchers ought to be anyway. A waker needs say 100. Basically, some races will rank up faster than others.
3) Same as 2, plus an IC justification and mod approval required. This is probably the most complicated option.
4) Hard cap. Some races only get so powerful. After all, there is no reason for a high school girl, however many threads she's had, to be able to punch through time and space. And hey, if she wants to do it once off, that's what the favor system is for.
So yeah, let me know what you all think.
(P.S. Get any new characters you want in soon. Grand opening bonus will be around until I'm off of my break, which is Jan 15th or so.)
Post by sophia rosenberg on Jan 6, 2013 13:28:18 GMT -5
i vote choice 1, and IC justification is a must. and they better be some really, really good IC justifications. like maybe level V artifact can get a skilled human to rank A, but only if it's physically on his or her person.
Post by RILEY FITZGERALD on Jan 6, 2013 13:34:03 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree, choice #1 seems pretty cool. Maybe some races can have soft caps and others can only go so far? Like, Deities could rank up really easily, but humans can only go a few ranks up. Vampires and Weres could go a bit higher, but not as high as Deities, etc. Seems complicated to figure out different caps and ease of leveling for each though.
Post by marlowe wiedmer on Jan 6, 2013 13:38:07 GMT -5
#1.
#2 seems a little complicated. #3 would piss people off. #4 would probably cause race saturation. i mean i doubt it'd be totally noticeable, but i can see that being an extreme result.
so #1. and, once everyone's off their midterms and finals and thesises, we could get some IC prompts for assets and cash money going on, with post requirements and mod judging. that would be pretty righteous.
Post by varnock acerbi on Jan 6, 2013 15:14:56 GMT -5
I am honestly mad. All this work to rank up and you want to suddenly up and change the system? I'm having enough bloody trouble as it is trying to raise all the god forsaken money needed to get a Rank V asset and now I learn I need to pay MORE money to rank up or I might not be able to rank up at all? If this happens I demand a better way to make money than posting. As it is with the opening bonus you need at least one hundred posts to get ONE rank V asset and NOTHING ELSE. I find that having to pay for your ranks along with this with just the 10$ per post will cause a drastic decrease in available money, which was already short as it is. If I am forced to pick one I pick option 1.
Post Edit: I feel people who are still rank E are looking at this a lot differently than I am... I worry as much as I do since I would almost immediately have to start paying even more money out of my very empty wallet just to reach a rank that will inevitably mean nothing compared to a different race? Who is to say that a Necromancer couldn't kill a god of death with the right abilities or circumstance? Why would they even fight without perfect circumstances that they could easily move about with Rank S? I honestly just don't like the sound of any of this.
Last Edit: Jan 6, 2013 15:19:44 GMT -5 by varnock acerbi
Post by MAXWELL ROSENKRANTZ on Jan 6, 2013 15:26:35 GMT -5
I actually like option four, since it makes the most sense for me. Having powerful characters isn't important to me at all though, so I'm less bothered by its drawbacks then others would be. I'd say my second favorite option is number two? Probably because again, it makes sense to me for some races to just be stronger than others.
Post by sophia rosenberg on Jan 6, 2013 16:33:49 GMT -5
woah woah guys, not everyone wants to beat the crap out of each other. and there's not much point in being able to kill everything since player characters aren't death enabled lol
and varn, it's impossible for money to be short when there's not a limited supply lol. the point of money systems at all is to encourage activity, but i doubt that we want to break the realism barrier either. i know that this is a fantasy/supernatural rp, but even fantasy/supernatural verses has its own rules that prevents it from going kaput
to me, number one is appealing because it forces peeps to get uber creative for higher ranked species that are not naturally powerful. which is also something that's desirable in an rp imo. and i mean. if a sleeper has no reason to be freakishly powerful, then why have them buy the option with no grounding in ic? if it's that important, then create a reason.
Post by THE POWERS THAT BE on Jan 6, 2013 17:01:31 GMT -5
Var, why pick option 1 if you're worried about money? Option 2/3 separates money from post count entirely, as it is now.
Anyway, I think you misunderstood the first post. Under any of the options (except option 4, where it'd be impossible), a Rank S Waker would be equal to a Rank S Deity, more or less. The options I propose don't make the races unequal. They only make earning the rank more difficult for "weaker" races, because highly powered individuals of their race would exemplary of their kind.
Post by varnock acerbi on Jan 6, 2013 21:13:18 GMT -5
I chose option one because I don't want to look at my post count and think 'Well ten more posts to get back to Rank C!' Or have to look at it and think I need more than 60 to get near A AND a reason to justify getting stronger outside of time and experience gained. I also don't want to look at it and think 'Well I sure do wish I had picked something more supernatural than a human instead of just being an awesome magi!' AND I don't want to look at the race list when I make my next character and decide which one I want based on how active I plan on being.
As for making some races 'weaker' isn't that just asking for people to pick the stronger ones? Why would someone bother making a human and having to post double the normal amount to reach what they could do in half the time as bloody angel? How is that equal as well?
Another thing. If a Rank S Waker and a Rank S Deity are more or less equal why does this scenario we are talking about require the use of a favor? All I see happening is the Deity fighting through enough undead to wear out even an S Rank while the necromancer watches from god knows where while he keeps resurrecting the damn things.
I apologize for sounding rude, but I just don't like any of these ideas. I hate the first option just as much as the others even if it is what I consider the least of several evils. As it is the first one would leave me thinking about how I would only have twenty posts to go before I hit Rank A once I had enough to afford my Rank V asset. At that point I would have 200$ to spend, and I just plain doubt the cost for B-A is going to be at all cheap.
alternatively, you can pick up an ooc skill and sell your shit for cashmonies or favors if you're really short.
2 seems like the one that makes the most sense, but 1 would be the simplest. i kinda like the idea of limiting, and tbh i wouldn't mind keeping my characters limited. Hell, even after alex ranks up, I'm gonna be playing him at rank e. actually i think right now he's at rank f as far as his powers go. soft caps could allow for people who devote IC time to studying and practicing to rank up, too.
like, tbh watchers are already more powerful than humans. hell i consider watchers more powerful than even deities simply b/c watchers can't die. and i assume there could be race bans if one race gets too saturated, and anyone who abuses the system gets banned. this is how it works, right?
also i assume rank doesn't always mean "bam, i win b/c i'm a higher rank than you"? like, even if combat was necessary, if someone tried to get close to Alex and he grabbed them with his psionic arms and wrung their neck, wouldn't matter if you were rank a or rank e, you dead bro. unless you're a watcher, in which case it's a temporary "ow ow ow FUCK OW" and waking up somewhere else and pissed.
Why is a Watcher more powerful than a human though? Wouldn't anyone be able to beat anyone else depending on the power? Isn't that how it should work?
quote from the page:
[Watchers] are immortal and do not age. If their body is killed (mind you, they DO feel pain), they will reform alive and well in a spot of their choosing after a few days.
Something that's immortal, doesn't age, and can't be killed automatically counts as "more powerful than a human, which is fleshy and only lives so long."
Post by varnock acerbi on Jan 6, 2013 22:20:33 GMT -5
Being immortal doesn't make you stronger than someone though. As I said it all depends on the powers. The term 'Always a bigger fish' is the point I'm trying to make here.
being immortal does, however, give you a considerable advantage. it'd make sense for vapula to know more than a human scientist, for example, because she has devoted the past i want to say five hundred years to the study of science.
as i said, i think it'd be good b/c it'd limit the amount of SUPER POWERFUL characters the RP has (assuming certain races get banned when they're oversaturated) and those that really care about being super powerful can buy up ranks. also it could be cool if like anything past rank c has to be earned IC by doing shit simply b/c people can become mega powerful simply by speed-threading romance
(lookin' at myself here; i don't think it's fair if alex becomes one of the most powerful characters in the RP just b/c he and miles had a few dozen dates/make-out sessions.)
to please varnock: could we implement a grandfather effect so that those currently at rank B/C are not affected?
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